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All About: Record Collecting
 

I spent most of my middle and high school years sorting through stacks of old records at various Atlanta record stores, working the floor at record shows, pouring through Goldmine magazine and burning up transatlantic phone lines with calls to record shops in the UK and beyond. I was what you'd call a record collector, although I wasn't much of one in the greater scheme of things. There are record collectors out there that have tens of thousands of albums filling their basements and garages - think of John Cusack in High Fidelity - but I was never one of them. I kept my collection small - filling it with records I loved as well as stuff to "flip" - that is, records to turn around and sell as quickly as possible so as to be able to buy something I really wanted.  In fact, that's how my love affair with Madonna really started... Like most teenaged guys in the 1980s, I thought that she was super-hot, but didn't much care for her music. I started to notice that her records sold quickly and expensively, so I started buying the occasional Madonna picture disc or Japanese 7" just to "flip" it into a rare Cure single that I wanted.

Sadly, the world of vinyl collecting is but a shadow of what it once was. Sure, there are still people out there that collect stuff, but for the most part the whole world has converted over to CD. While that's all well and good, there's just something... missing in the new paradigm of optical discs. "Picture discs" just aren't the same now that they're silk-screened CDs. And although there has been the occasional attempt to make a "shaped CD", it's just not the same as my British Madonna-shaped vinyl.

Be that as it may, the principles behind collecting remain mostly the same. And it is those principles that I'm going to share with you today. By using the following guide, you should - with a little help from friends - be able to figure out the value of most any disc - be it a CD you bought a year ago or a box full of your parent's old vinyl records you found whilst cleaning out the attic. And given the rise of the Internet - specifically, auction sites like eBay and online memorabilia retailers like GEMM - you can quickly sell those discs (if you choose) as never before.

The Glossary

Before I get into those principles, let me give you some terms so that we're all on the same page here:

7" single - Usually called a "single" by younger folks and "45s" by older ones, these records are exclusively called 7" singles by collectors. These records are usually played at 45rpm and almost always have two songs, one on each side. 7" singles are the default type of single when a collector asks for a "single" without any further clarification (like, say 12" single).

10" single - These discs are actually quite rare. During the 1980s, only a few records were released in this format. They are the same size as an old 78rpm record and may be played at either 33rpm or 45rpm, depending on how many songs are on the record. A 10" record typically contains two, three or four songs, but one might even contain a full album: The Police's Regatta De Blanc was released in the USA as a "limited edition 10" double album".

12" single - These records are the same size as a full album, but are usually played at 45rpm and contain only 1 or 2 songs. Although the vinyl market is all but dead, the 12" single market is still in fairly decent shape due to the fact that most DJs still prefer spinning 12" singles to CDs or MP3s.

Album - A complete album on one disc, almost always played at 33rpm. These are sometimes called LPs because at the time they were invented they were "long playing discs" compared to other technologies available at the time.

Double Album - A complete album that consists of two discs.

Box Set - A set of several discs that come in a wooden or cardboard box.

EP - Stands for "extended play". These discs can come in 7", 10", 12", or CD5 format. An EP usually contains more songs than a single but fewer than an album - hence the EP designation. For versions on 7" or 10" vinyl, EPs are usually (but not always) played at 33rpm. This is kind of nitpicky, but EPs always have different songs on them, so a 12" single with six versions of one song is still a 12" single and an EP with five different songs is still an EP, even though the 12" has "more" music on it.

Flexi - Sometimes called by its full name ("flexidisc"), these are vinyl records that were usually given away for free, often with music magazines, fan club material or on cereal boxes. As the name implies, these discs are flexible and can be rolled into a tube, although they are usually too fragile for this.

Colored vinyl - Records once came in a variety of colors, both transparent and opaque. On some records - like the 'electric blue' version of Madonna's "True Blue" 7" single - the coloring is immediately obvious. On other discs, the coloring is quite subtle. Such is the case with a version of R.E.M.'s Reckoning album on deep purple vinyl that it must be held up to the light to see the coloring. Colored vinyl can sometimes be a complex affair, such as the fabled "marbled" version of Kate Bush's Hounds of Love album, which indeed looks like marble. Any record of any size could come on colored vinyl.

Picture Disc - A picture disc is simply a clear vinyl record with a photograph placed inside before pressing. The pictures on picture discs usually filled the disc completely (like this "Like A Prayer" picture disc), but they could also be strategically placed (like this "Holiday" picture disc). Picture discs were generally available as 7" singles, 12" singles or LPs, but any record of any size could be made as a picture disc.

Shaped Discs - Records could come in any number of shapes, like this Madonna single from the UK. Far more extreme shapes were once available.

Lead-out - The shiny area of a record between the end of the grooves and the label in the center of the disc. Artists sometimes write messages in the lead-out area. Records with such messages are considered to be more valuable than records without them, although the number of records where this might be an issue is, quite frankly, tiny. By the way, it's pronounced "leed out", not "lead" like the metal.

CD3 - A CD single or EP which comes on a 3" CD. These are about the size of a modern GameCube or MiniDVD disc. CD3 discs were launched worldwide in the 1980s, but were only popular in Japan. They require an adapter - a plastic ring that "extends" the outside of the disc to standard 5" CD size - to be played in slot-loading CD players.

CD5 - Sometimes called a "CD single", these are singles that come on a standard 5" compact disc.

Jewel case - the standard plastic packaging a compact disc comes in; jewel cases come in "standard" and "slimline" thicknesses. Most import CD singles come in slimline cases.

Digipak - an alternative to jewel cases, Digipaks are thick cardboard sleeves that have a plastic disc tray glued to the inside of the sleeve. Think of them as a "cardboard jewel case" if you will. This packaging is more sturdy than a standard jewel case, but is more subject to wear on the sleeves.

Gatefold - a single or album that opens up like a book. The records are usually retrieved from the outer edges of the sleeves, however some gatefold albums required you to pull the disc out from the inner edges of the sleeves.

Picture Sleeve - A paper sleeve that holds the record and usually has printing on it, typically a photograph of the band or some other artwork. There are two types of sleeves: inner sleeves (that protect a record when it's kept inside its cardboard album jacket) and outer sleeves (the paper sleeves that singles come in). Records that don't come in picture sleeves are said to come in generic sleeves, which may be plain white or may have a graphic or logo of the record label printed on it. Records that were originally issued with picture sleeves are almost always worth more than later versions that came in generic sleeves. Because sleeves tend to tear on the edges (from the record being dropped in the sleeve), you might want to consider buying a stock of generic sleeves and keeping the records themselves in those (replaceable) sleeves instead of the fancy printed ones. This will keep the value up.

Spine - the edge of the record sleeve, where the artist and title information are usually printed. Note that the other two edges are also referred to as "spines", such as "upper spine" and "lower spine". Many German and Dutch albums and 12" singles also have the artist and title information printed on the upper spine, so that you could easily find a particular disc if you stored your records in a milk crate.

"Punch hole" single - You know the hole in the center of a record? On American albums, that hole is roughly the diameter of a pencil, and on 7" singles is about the diameter of a half-dollar. Many European 7" singles - especially ones from Britain and the Commonwealth - came with a "punch hole": a small hole (like an American album) that also had perforations that allowed the owner to "punch out" the center of the disc and make the hole the size of one on an American single if he or she wished (see a pic of one here). As you might guess, a "punch hole" single is worth more if the center has not been punched out.

Promo - this designation applies to a wide range of records and CDs, and has varying degrees of meaning that impact the price. On the low end, you have albums, singles or CDs which look exactly the same as the ones you'd buy in a record store, except they have a sticker or gold stamp on them that says "For Promotional Use Only". These records are usually worth the same as the records you'd buy in a store, and sometimes are even worth less due to the rough handling that they sometimes get. Another type of promo (generally limited to records from the 70s and 80s) has a gold stamp similar to the first example, but also has a serial number on it. This was an early attempt to track which radio stations or music stores were selling or giving away their promotional records. These tend to be worth a few dollars more than records with your basic promo stamp, but are not typically a goldmine or anything. Lastly, there are what I call "true promo" records - records or CDs that are completely different than ones you buy in stores. They have different covers, tracklists or mixes (for example, here's the cover for Madonna's "Like A Virgin" US single and here's the cover of the promo version). These promo discs are sometimes pretty valuable - keep an eye out for them!

"White label promo" - this is often a bootleg 12" single of a song remixed and released by a DJ, although record labels themselves sometimes release white label records in small quantities. These discs are called "white label" discs because the label on the actual record is plain white and often has artist\remix\album information written on the label by hand. Note that "real" white label records (that is, white label records released by an actual music label) are often of much higher quality than the "standard" release and as such are often sought by collectors.

Test Pressing - Once a record is complete - that is, it's been recorded and edited to the satisfaction of the artist - production begins. However, before the record label moves to full production, several "test pressings" will be made of the disc. This is done to test the mastering, the quality of the vinyl, etc. Test pressings are made in only tiny quantities, so they are much ought after by collectors.

Acetate - Acetates were (are) records made of "works in progress". Unlike a test pressing - which is a trial production run of a completed product - acetates were sometimes made for the use of people intimately involved in the record-making process, like the recording artist, his or her sound engineers, the album's producers or maybe even impatient record company executives. Let's say that an artist is working on two very different versions of the same song. Back in the day, he or she might have requested an acetate to be made of both versions, just to see how they sounded on vinyl, or to be able to take that record to friends and see what they think. Another example is to imagine a record company executive that's being questioned by his superiors about an expensive or overdue project. Just to prove that there is material being created, the exec might ask for an acetate of some of the songs to provide to his bosses. Acetates are extremely rare and are usually highly sought after, as they are not only rare but sometimes they contain earlier versions or mixes of songs that appear on any subsequent album. As their name implies, acetates are made from acetate (the same material used to create the film for overhead projectors) instead of vinyl.

Cut out - Albums that didn't sell well were usually returned to the distributor. There they had a notch cut out of one side; they were then stacked into a corner until an amount sufficient to sell to a large chain was collected. The large chain would buy them for peanuts and sell them in their "bargain bins" for as little as 99¢ each. Cut-outs were (are) worth little compared to a non-cut-out disc, just as a "dinged" piece of furniture is worth far less than a perfect one.

Obi - On Japanese records and CDs, the obi is a strip of paper or plastic that runs along the left side of the outer sleeve. The obi  usually gives the artist, album title, price and perhaps some promotional material (like reviewer's quotes) in Japanese. Since most Japanese records and CDs come with the same exact cover art as their American\European counterparts (including song titles and record company information in English), the obi is often necessary for Japanese people to know what they're buying, especially if the band is new or if the album cover doesn't have a picture or recognizable logo of the band. While the obi might be thrown away after purchase by Japanese consumers, it is considered a vital part of the record for Americans or Europeans buying Japanese records... so don't throw it away! Click here to see a Japanese copy of Duran Duran's Rio album complete with obi.

The Principles

Why is one record worth thousands whilst another is worth only a couple of dollars? Here are the main things that affect the value of a record. But before I begin the list, let me say one important thing: that record collecting can be more emotional than collecting coins or stamps. Coins are coins and stamps are stamps.... but music is the stuff of most people's teenage years. Rather than looking at a record through the cold, calculating eyes of a coin collector, many record collectors view a record through the rose-colored glasses of their childhood. No one looks at a 1912 gold piece and thinks of the first time they made out with a girl, but you can bet that somewhere in the world right now, someone's looking at a rare version of Bryan Ferry's "Slave to Love" single and thinking of just that.

Because record collecting can be so emotional, it's slightly different than other types of collecting. Many collectors stick to one particular band or genre, so the collector of "Motorhead" or "1980s British Heavy Metal" records usually has no interest in a Beach Boys record, no matter how valuable it might be. On the other hand, there are those that collect only certain types of records, like colored vinyl, picture discs and those with errors on them. These people tend not to stick to one band or genre, and usually have a more detached approach to collecting. Then there are the "über-collectors", people that tend to be knowledgeable about every genre out there and buy anything that might be valuable, regardless of whether they like the artist or not. In short, there are all kinds of collectors out there, so knowing who you're selling to can be a big help with figuring out pricing.

Keeping that in mind, here is the list of what determines the value of a record:

1) The Popularity of the Artist - The value of any item - be it a record, used car, gold coin or half-eaten croissant - is determined by what someone will pay you for it. If you are the only person in the entire world that likes a particular artist, then chances are that no one will give you any money for that artist's record... which means that the record's value is zero. Note, however, that "popularity" isn't as cut and dried as it might seem. Many people like The Beatles and Elvis Presley, in fact too many do. As a result, the markets for those two artists are flooded with items, and have been for years. Only the rarest of rare Beatles items sell for any real money, and that's because there are simply too many people buying and selling too many Beatles items. But then you have the genre collectors: 99.999% of the population has probably never heard of a band called "Ugly Dog Skiffle Combo", so at first glance one of their records might seem worthless. But that same disc might be worth hundreds to a skiffle fanatic. So even though a band might not be "popular" on the mass market, it can certainly be popular within its own genre. Lastly, know that the market for current acts waxes and wanes according to what the band is doing at the moment. If no one's heard from the band in a couple of years, chances are that their records won't sell for a lot. But if the band just released a new album or plans to go on tour, interest will rise and prices will go up. I've seen it happen on eBay with my own eyes regarding Madonna memorabilia: the total number of listings for Madonna stuff will be quite low. Lots of auctions end with no bids. What does sell sells for less than the seller probably wanted. But then she'll release a new album or announce a tour and suddenly the number of listings explodes, most items sell and prices go through the roof. And although I'm using Madonna and eBay as examples, it happens with every band in every market... trust me. If you know that your artist is about to release a new disc or announce a world tour, it's best to hang on the disc until the hoopla kicks in to high gear.

2) The Number of Discs Made - This is nothing more than basic economics kicking in here. The more of something there is, the less valuable it will be. It doesn't matter how good a shape your mom's original copy of The Wall is in... there are 10 bazillion copies of The Wall out there, so it's not worth much, I promise. And in a cruel twist of fate, just about every record says "limited edition" on the label is actually not a limited edition. Comedian Eddie Murphy's 1983 album Comedian was released in a "limited edition" picture disc... which would have been great, except that the record company made 250,000 of them, so it wasn't rare at all! In fact, that album was one of the few picture discs by a major artist that ever ended up in the bargain bin! Similarly, the American 7" single of Duran Duran's "The Reflex" came with a "limited edition poster sleeve", which wasn't limited at all, because the entire run of those singles came in the poster. Don't be fooled by people on eBay selling "limited edition" stuff - most of the time it's just not worth it.

3) Is The Music Available Elsewhere? - As you might imagine, most hardcore fans of a particular band want to collect every single song their favorite artist has recorded. If you have an old music magazine flexi or fan club single that contains some otherwise unavailable track from that artist, you might have a truly valuable record there! Back in 1984, a record collector spotted an old Beach Boys fan club single at a garage sale; he paid 25¢ for it and later auctioned it for around $5200 ($9625 in 2005 dollars!) because it was only the second known copy of that song anywhere. The master tapes had been lost for ages and only one other copy of that single was known to exist prior to his find. Score! But you have to be careful about it... The Police's first single was called "Fall Out", and for years the only way to hear it was to shell out $75 for it at a record store. However, the track started appearing on the occasional "Best of IRS Records" compilation, and so the price dropped to around $50. A few years after The Police broke up, their record label released Message in a Box, a 4-CD "best of" set. This set included "Fall Out" and prices for the single fell to around $35. Of course, the record still held its value as a historical item for hardcore Police collectors, but now that anyone could walk into a record store and walk out with this previously rare track, it lost a lot of its cachet. The exact same thing happened to some early Cure singles released under the name "Cult Hero". Prices for the original "I Dig You" single were once astronomical; once the track became available in Cure box sets the value of the single fell through the floor.

4) Geography - It costs money to ship a record from one country to another. As a consequence of this - and the import's relative scarcity versus the available domestic stock - most imports are worth more than the domestic discs. An imported version of even the most common record should fetch at least a dollar or two more than a domestic release. Imports are especially more valuable than their domestic brethren when the imported version has additional tracks or different mixes than the domestic disc. For example, for years the only way that Americans could get the original, non-remixed version of Madonna's "Into the Groove" was to buy the UK version of the Like A Virgin CD. This made the British import especially valuable until sometime in 2001, when Warner released the "digitally remastered" version of Like A Virgin here in the US, which finally contained the original mix of "Groove". Sometimes geography can pay off handsomely for the seller: the gothic-rock band Bauhaus released their second single on a new British label called Axis Records. Within a couple of days of the single's release, another label called Axis Records called the (new) Axis Records and kindly asked them to change their name, as they (old Axis) had been using that name for several years at that point. All copies of the Bauhaus single on (new) Axis Records were recalled from stores and released again a few days later under the label's new name, 4AD Records. The scarce copies of "Dark Entries" on Axis were worth around £35 ($70) in the UK back in the mid-1980s, but that same record fetched around £75 ($150) in the USA. Flipping it around, many early R.E.M. singles were worth far more in the UK than in the United States. The "Driver 8" promo 12" single was once worth around $30 here in the US but around £40 ($80) in the UK. Also note that there is usually a special premium attached to Japanese records. There are two reasons for this. The first is that Japanese records always have awesome packaging, including a lyrics sheet. Since most Japanese people don't speak English, Japanese buyers have insisted on having the lyrics available in both Japanese (so they can understand the words) and English (so they can sing along). Many albums simply have the lyrics printed on the album's inner sleeve, but sometimes a completely different insert is added for the Japanese market - sometimes as a poster of the band - complete with color pictures and other fun stuff. The second reason for the premium on Japanese records has to do with the oil crisis of 1973, when most American and European record labels cut down on the thickness of their records as a cost-saving measure. The Japanese never did this, and as a result their albums were less prone to warping or other damage and usually sound much better than their American or European counterparts. Don't know what I mean? Take an old American record from the 1960s. Hold it like a Frisbee and "fan yourself" with it. Notice how solid it feels? Notice how it doesn't "wobble"? Try doing the same with a 1980s American record... but be careful not to crack it! Japanese records - even until the very end of vinyl production - are much more like the 1960s American record than their 1980s cousins.

5) Record condition - Thankfully, something simple: the better shape the record is in, the more it's worth. Records (or CDs) that are still sealed in their original shrink wrap are worth the most, followed by varying degrees of "used", with records that have coffee-stained, written-on sleeves bringing up the rear. Do NOT be tempted to "clean up" any record sleeves you might have, as doing so will only devalue it further. Like most antiques, the emphasis in record collecting is in maintaining current condition of the the disc. To do this, you will want to have a stock of plastic "outer sleeves" to store the record in. If the record has a printed "inner sleeve", you might seriously consider buying some replacement sleeves to store the record in. As anyone that owned records knows, the inner sleeve is prone to splitting along the edges due to the stress of the record being dropped into the sleeve. If the record came in a plain white sleeve, no buyer or seller will care if it's split a little bit. If, on the other hand, the inner sleeve has pictures or lyrics printed on it, collectors will care if it's damaged, and the best way to prevent further damage is to buy a stock of replacement inner sleeves. If you're buying records, be on the lookout for dirty tricks sellers might pull on you. One of the most common back in the day was to use a paper cutter on the edge of the outer sleeve, so that a once frayed edge now looked brand new. Things like this are no different than you trying to refinish some rare 18th century piece of furniture... don't do it yourself, and don't fall for it in the marketplace!

6) Age - This category is at once both simple and complex. After all, it's almost human nature to assume that "old  = valuable", but I can assure you that this is not always the case. There are records or CDs made two months ago that are already more valuable than many records made 50 years ago. But on the other hand, as time passes basements will flood, crates of records will get smashed or lost during moves, and bad memories of ex-girlfriends or boyfriends will lead people to burn once cherished records... or at least throw into the trash can. In other words, as time passes, the number of copies of any given record will decline, therefore (theoretically) increasing the value of any given album. But here again, time might just be working against you: the almost all-consuming passion you once had to own one hard-to-find Husker Du album has now probably been cooled by pressures from work and family. Technology marches on, and you might not even have the capability to play the records you once held so dear. This last thing in particular is what killed the market for 78rpm records from the 40s and 50s back in the 1980s. Even though just about every home had a record player in 1983, very few of them were able to play 78s. It was for this reason alone that the value of most 78s fell to around $1 apiece, with the (obvious) exceptions given for rare early rock and roll, jazz and blues 78s.

What Does It All Mean?

So - now that you know all of this stuff... what does it all mean? Well, once you know "The Principles", you can put any record into an equation and figure out how how much it's worth relative to similar records. Here's an example using common versions of Duran Duran's Rio album:

 

Rank

Version Reason
1 USA initial release on Harvest Records Low quantity issued, different versions of songs than later Capitol version of disc
2 Japanese release Japanese import
3 British release British import, inner sleeve different than other versions
4 German release German import
5 USA release on Capitol Records Incredibly common compared to other versions
 
OK, maybe you don't want to deal with vinyl. OK, here's the same table for CD versions of Rio:
 

Rank

Version Reason
1 Initial German release Different versions of some songs than any other version of the album, German import
2 Japanese release Japanese import
3 British release British import
4 Current USA release Digitally remastered, also comes with music videos
5 Older USA release "default" version
 
Here's the relative worths of common versions of the Like a Virgin vinyl album:
 

Rank

Version Reason
1 USA "white vinyl promo" Extremely low quantity issued
2 Hong Kong picture disc Very low quantity issued, Hong Kong import
3 Japanese picture disc Low quantity issued, Japanese import
4 Japanese promo Low quantity issued, Japanese import
5 Bulgarian release Low quantity issued, very hard to find during the Cold War, historical anomaly
 

Admittedly, this doesn't tell you how much a record is worth overall. But you'll never know that until the time of sale. The exact same record might sell for two very different prices on eBay: perhaps two people got into a bidding war for one auction but not another. Perhaps one auction had a high opening bid - high opening bids tend to keep buyers away, even if both opening bids are much lower than the anticipated selling price. For example, there might be two auctions for the original version of Appetite for Destruction with the "banned" cover. The opening bid for one auction might be $1 and the other might be $50. Although the disc might end up selling for $150, it will probably be the $1 auction that sells it, because people don't want to pay the minimum $50 if they don't have to (even though they probably will).

Good luck with your collecting... but first:

A Word of Warning

Most people get into record collecting due to an obsession with a particular band or artist. And that's fine... that's how millions of people got into record collecting too. But hear this: "Be ye careful of that line, for across it, madness lies!"

What I mean is this: you need to know going into it that you can never collect every single record your artist has put out. There are almost 200 member countries in the United Nations; if we assume that only half of them produce their own records, then you're looking at 100 different copies of each album your artist puts out. Using Madonna as an example, you'd then have to track down 1100 albums just to have one copy from every country (not including soundtracks and "best of" albums). And while it might be easy to find American, British and Japanese copies of those albums, I wish you the best of luck when it comes to tracking down Nepalese and Libyan copies. Madonna has also issued some seventy 7" singles, and although some of these were issued in some countries but not others, you're still looking at least 6500 singles you're gonna have to track down. And given the poor quality of many records released in the Third World, you're gonna have your work cut out for you just finding a Peruvian copy of "Open Your Heart", much less one in good condition. Of course, I haven't even mentioned 12" singles, EPs, 3" CD singles, 5" CD singles, promotional copies of all of the above, picture discs, flexidiscs, fan club discs, bootlegs, compilations, collaborations, acetates or test pressings. It's hard enough just to do this for one country, much less the entire world, so take a deep breath and just know that you're never gonna own it all.

There's also the rarified air of the "super collectors". If you ever visit the Madonna Tribe forums, you'll probably be shocked by their "Madonna Collectibles" forum. Most folks there don't even bother discussing the kind of records I've talked about here. They're much more apt to discuss how they spent $27,000 for a dress Madonna wore in Dick Tracy or the $9,000 they spent for Nile Rodger's personally autographed platinum copy of Like A Virgin (Rodgers, a member of the 1970s band Chic, was a successful producer in the 80s, producing Like A Virgin and Duran Duran's "The Wild Boys", amongst others). If you're the type of person that just might sell his or her car to buy something like that, then maybe record collecting isn't for you. I have known record collectors through the years that would shoot their own mothers for a copy of The Beatles' "butcher album" or a British 7" single of the Sex Pistol's "God Save The Queen" on A&M Records (which is considered to be the most valuable record ever produced in Britain; only 9-12 copies remain and they usually fetch around £13,000 (around $24,000) at auction). Although you rarely (if ever) hear about it, record collecting can be as addictive as gambling or alcohol... so be careful out there, OK?

 
I'll try to edit this article from time to time as I remember details about the record trade.
 
 
Last Updated: Wednesday, 28 February 2007 03:53